In the new episode, we have the designer Artyom Shcherbakov and developer Andrey Shabanov from the “green bank.” They discuss the eternal topic of interaction between design and development, share personal experience, and compare how the work was built at the end of the zeroes and how it happens today. They discuss why, even when tools and processes change, the tension between teams remains; how important it is for developers to collaborate with a strong designer and take their perspective into account (and vice versa); where the causes of communication breakdowns lie, and how to learn to hear each other; how involvement helps create truly great products; how new tools and vibe-coding reduce the distance between those who design interfaces and those who write code; how to support each other and jointly own the result instead of endlessly exchanging edits; and where to put the comma in “friendship not censure”—so the product doesn’t suffer. Share your thoughts in the comments. The episode is prepared with the support of PJSC Sberbank. Advertising. ERID 2Vtzqx1wny7. SberDesign: https://t.me/designbysber